Uwe Rosler’s Grandad Mk XXXV

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  1. Valentino Azzurro: Reluctant as I am to say it, I believe KDB to be the better player

    To offer something to this discussion I’m tempted to fall in with Camp Kev. I saw Bell play from 1968 and although only quite young at the time this at least gives me a first hand perspective. Now that Kev has added a tougher ball winning aspect to his game he has become a more complete player and comparisons become easier. Bell’s engine was legendary but work-rate alone does not enable a qualitative evaluation of the two. What I have seen from Kev which Bell never possessed was an extraordinary movement that enables him to take a ball at full tilt without breaking stride and with one touch deliver a low 30m angled cross directly into the path of a team mate that negates the defenders and gives him nothing to do other than strike the ball cleanly into the net. Bell was one of the finest players of his generation and would probably have loved playing with Kev, starting moves in his third and getting on the end of precision assists at the other end. He was an old school box to box specialist that drove us on but the demands of the game today present different challenges and different skills. I think that Kev is far better equipped to address these and in 4 or 5 years time I doubt that anyone will doubt the importance of his place in our ‘hall of fame’.

    Team Kev for me.

    I remain

    Berko

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  2. Calgary Blue: Is he the closest thing to Nijinsky we have ever had or is that going too far at this stage?

    Reluctant as I am to say it, I believe KDB to be the better player. He has the same ability to cover the ground , although maybe the runs aren’t as lung busting. I recall one run by Colin v Chelsea at The Bridge. He dispossessed a Chelsea forward in our penalty area, slung a ball out wide to Gyn Pardoe (I think) and then set off, arriving in the Chelsea box in time to nod home a cross from Nelly on the left wing. KDB has better all-round vision (though neither are as good as Merlin in this department, who plays as if he’s got fish eye lenses for eyes, plus wing mirrors) and a more perceptive, subtler passing range. Colin , I’d surmise, is/was the sharper finisher. Both KDB and Colin get 100% for commitment and workrate.

    My own fave character in the City documentary is John ‘Don’t call me John, call me boss’ Bond. “If yew stand up, yew get foined; if yew sit down, yew get foined; if yewer late, yew get foined… ‘ (and so it goes)

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  3. What a fabulous day. Didn’t begin all that well though and definitely ‘trouble at t’mill’ in terms of getting in. The stewards in their wisdom decided that there would be four security check points for our gate but neglected to let us know so there was one line snaking back for a hundred yards or so. After about 15 minutes one of them came by and told us the news. This was met with a few chaps voicing their irritation and rightly so. Alph – be warned next time you’re down.

    The game was just incredible and you got the feeling you were in dreamland – until they scored two quick goals. I was talking to the guy next to me and we agreed that at 3-1, the next goal would be crucial – just before they scored it! Reassuringly we seemed to simply move up a gear and bish, bash, bosh it was 5-2. It would have been very interesting however, if we hadn’t got two quick goals and had stayed at 3-2 a while longer. I’m glad it didn’t but it would have really showed our level of maturity (or lack thereof). As all have said before KDB really IS the man to the extent that Merlin now seems to be almost forgotten (unthinkable, right?). Dare I say it? Is he the closest thing to Nijinsky we have ever had or is that going too far at this stage?

    I also found it interesting that Pep thought this was our best performance. Personally I would have voted for the sibneft game simply because of the level of opposition and the Chelsea game was in London. Yep, we slaughtered Stoke but they really were there for the taking and we were on home turf. And speaking of turf, Burnley are up next. I wonder what their game plan will be. SD is no mug but I’m sure he’ll be wondering how on earth to stop us.

    Looking forward to Tuesday now. The Etihad should be buzzing.

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  4. Khmer Bleu: 4) I watched the City! documentary. It’s a long way from Blue Moon Rising, let alone the Pep era. I was most struck by the resemblance of Peter Swales to Rigsby in Rising Damp, though that is perhaps being charitable to the former.

    Quite remarkable that we’re talking about the same club. I’m not sure I can think of another example in sport of a transformation that has been so complete in a little over 15 years. It’s funny to imagine how the dinner table conversation would have unfolded if Swales and Khaldoon had ever found themselves sitting together; two men from completely different worlds.

    I remain

    Berko

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  5. Morning chaps – I’ve been away in Tanzania. Catching up on a few things:

    1. Amazing string of games – I thought Chelsea was one of the best performances I had ever seen from any football team; then we had yesterday. Mankers and Pellers, at their peak, built very very good teams, but this team looks like it might be better than anything the Prem has ever seen – and its key players are all still so young.

    2) Congrats Alph on your Masters. You really are a glutton for punishment if you’re starting a PhD.

    3) Two weeks ago my boy went to his first football practice and a week ago he turned 5. The cost of his first City kit on the official site: close to a hundred squid!

    4) I watched the City! documentary. It’s a long way from Blue Moon Rising, let alone the Pep era. I was most struck by the resemblance of Peter Swales to Rigsby in Rising Damp, though that is perhaps being charitable to the former.

    KB

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  6. alphonso: it will be essential to coach an eclectic mix of response to Exocet type opposition tackles by either hitting the deck in agony or, in the alternative, riding said tackle, hopping nobly to ones feet with pained expression which says clearly, we don’t cheat like that lot.

    With this said you may have observed the moment in the game when Sane beat his man so comprehensively that the opponent had nothing left to do but rugby tackle our boy. Even with the Stoke man gripping his upper leg and waist Sane continued to power on when others may have gone to ground quickly and appeared to drag the hapless fool an extra yard or two with him still clinging on in plain sight of everyone. At that point it was little short of an embarrassment for the opponent who was reduced to these sort of tactics as a result of his technical deficiency and athletic inferiority. Often it can be as demoralising to an opposing team when our players ride the tackles in this way, as you say and the gap between ourselves and the other team is laid bare so brutally.

    Good innit?

    I remain

    Berko

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  7. Pep’s buddy Raul Caneda carries out the research and analysis of our Champs League opponents (claims the DM) and provides in-depth information for our man to work with in the run up to the matches. Caneda is (apparently) a long-term associate and buddy of Pep who himself intends to enter management/coaching in England at some level (he is 46). DM explains that Caneda is mentioned in Pep’s book as being one of the best analytical footballing brains he has worked with.

    When asked if he would take the same approach as Pep to a Championship or League 1 team, i.e. that he would not coach “tackling” he Caneda responded in the affirmative, pointing out that you don’t see Busquets “going to ground” in flying tackles. He added that slide tackling is evidence of wrong positioning in the first instance. He, like Pep, would coach “positioning” and that correctly positioned players need only to stay on their feet in close touch with the opposition player.

    Personally I admire this attitude but would also suggest that at that level of kick and run (player or ball, either will do), it will be essential to coach an eclectic mix of response to Exocet type opposition tackles by either hitting the deck in agony or, in the alternative, riding said tackle, hopping nobly to ones feet with pained expression which says clearly, we don’t cheat like that lot.

    It might not work but referees generally like the game to flow and don’t like dangerous play and/or diving/cheating. Ruud van Horsehead-Diving-Cheat perfected the dive, not claiming a penalty but gingerly getting to feet with shaking head and pained expression, perfectly.

    It may take some time but reputations once made stick. Lineker is a gentleman who doesn’t dive so it must be a penalty whilst Young is a diving cheat so give him no benefit of any doubt are two examples. If the man gets a job in Engurlund it will be interesting to see if he can keep it long enough to get the players he needs to play it and the points he needs to stay in the job long enough to make it work.

    It’s a shame it doesn’t work for Kun Aguero!!

    Alph

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  8. I never saw this coming !

    Come on, admit it. During some of those torturous second gear performances last term when we ground out draws against poor teams, there we times when we doubted the Plan and the Pep legend. I know I did. But now….

    It is almost unbelievable to watch. So successful is the plan that has been instilled and executed that we can do whatever we want on the pitch and leave our opponents impotent to influence the game. We can be impeded temporarily but we will never be second best playing in this way. 80 % possession against a PL opponent; 80% and we should have scored more. Seemingly we don’t even have the capacity to cock it up anymore. Never has the terrace refrain “We’re not really here” seemed so appropriate. It is remarkable.

    Unsung hero for me; John Stones. At 0-0 he put in 3 tackles that were timed so immaculately and executed so cleanly that I was caused to invoke the memory of Bobby Moore of the 1970 vintage to Junior. Like the erstwhile ‘ammer he wins tackles, comes away with the ball and delivers inch perfect 30 yard passes that set up counter attacks, thus maintaining impossible pressure on opponents. Pep is transforming each of our players and in Stones we are seeing a transition into something very special indeed; a very timely development given Vincent’s continued and inevitable absence. In a 7 goal drubbing nobody thinks of defenders but for 25 minutes our lad was rock solid and thereafter, simply elegant.

    I wonder how long it will be before the suits at the multi £bn top table of global footie branding look at what we’re doing and issue the directive to forget the faux euphoria around the turgid shite coming from Stockport, Anfield and West London and start talking us up as the legitimate face of PL football. I suspect we may have to win something before that time comes but on this form it surely can’t be long.

    I remain

    Berko

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  9. Give or take a missed tackle from Delph and some wasteful stuff from Sterling in the first 10 , an almost perfect performance. A Martian landing in Beswick would have said “Are these two sets of guys playing the same game?”
    On the other hand all my Rag-supporting mates voted the performance of their manager and team as disgraceful. Old Baconface must be turning in his grave. Oh, hang on…

    De Bruyne’s measured, curving pass for Sanés goal has got to be ‘assist of the season’.

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  10. An excellent afternoon of entertainment sat at the waterside at Daskalogiannis first watching a boring Maureen bundle of “play safe” rags squeeze a nil/nil point out of the bin dippers and then a rampant City took Stoke to pieces scoring all 9 goals!!

    A couple of rags watching suggested that we put a pony on City to do an Arse and have an invincible season.

    They don’t understand the mentality of we lifelong blues do they!!

    (Er – wot’s a “pony” other than a small horse)?

    Alph

    Alph

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  11. Calgary Blue: Back to business this weekend. Klopp needs a win badly and no better place to get it than against the rags.

    The main problem with this fixtures lies with TV scheduling. When you aggregate all the minutes silences the maudlin bastards like to have to honour their various misfortunes the game could be delayed by up to 40 minutes.

    I used to have an associate ( no more than that as he was a Leeds fan) who ran a specialist golf holiday business in the 90s and 00s focused on Portugal from offices in Dublin and Manchester. He was in his element as he loves golf and he loves Portugal. He got a really good name for himself for a while amongst the community as he put together great packages that were tailored to every client and worked in an area where the commercial pressures from the OTAs and aggregators hadn’t kicked in yet. He always bemoaned his inability to design trips to Israel. We only have one competition standard golf course in Caesarea and the Anglos won’t play with the locals because they all cheat.

    So pleased that the International Break is over.

    I remain

    Berko

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  12. Valentino Azzurro: Afraid I am not escaping to foreign parts, a la Calgers and The Laird.

    Well I’m back now. We had a week of meetings, meetings and more meetings. I’m building a golf holiday company and Portugal is the first destination for us. It seems that retirement does get boring so I’m dipping my toe in the holiday business. Well, you have to do something during the international break, right?

    Back to business this weekend. Klopp needs a win badly and no better place to get it than against the rags. Tough one for me this as I can’t stand either team. I think the dippers shade it though because as much as I can’t stand the rags, I feel the dippers and their ‘everybody loves us and we’ve had terrible hardships and we’re just a bunch of loveable scallywags etc. etc’ makes me want to vomit.

    Rant over.

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  13. Valentino Azzurro: You have me, Berko. Unless it’s Ronnie Drew.

    Yup, it was that easy Valers. I shall set aside for you my signed copy of The Auld Triangle performed by H from Steps although this was, of course during his ill fated and short lived diversion into the Irish folk scene and improbable collaboration with Flogging Molly.

    I remain

    Berko

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  14. berkozboy: Yes, it reminds me of the pub quiz question; “which Irish folk singer is also a football score?”

    Malachy O’Fivenil? Prontiass Twotwo? Tomas Matchabandoned? You have me, Berko. Unless it’s Ronnie Drew.

    Actually the gig was graced by the presence of a number of pulchritudinous thirty-somethings. Unfortunately the DLOMS, though incapacitated, had a number of her spies there so I was unable to take advantage. Got through it with a combo of Guinness and Fisherman’s Friends. My monologue on ‘Bar Abbas the Robber’ (one of your chaps?) was remarkably well received. Had some nice comments on my musical shtick, one was “imagine Bob Dylan, Billy Bragg, Cole Porter and George Formby coalesced in a Petrie dish”. I’ll take that.

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  15. City have seen 15 of their stars depart for international duty for the last group stage encounters of World Cup qualification.

    Together City players will have travelled a combined distance of 106,873 miles before they return to the Etihad – the highest total by some distance in England’s top flight.

    Liverpool – 35,000 miles

    Can I have the Airmiles ? Laugh Laugh

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  16. Valentino Azzurro: My songs (all me own) are mostly downbeat so expect a dramatic hike in the Irish suicide rate in the next week or three

    Yes, it reminds me of the pub quiz question; “which Irish folk singer is also a football score?”

    I now have the eternal vision of a smokey tap room in a Ballsbridge boozer, where through the clag of the Senior Service haze, ancient Celts hug indigestible slices of ‘heavy’ and nod to the impassioned dirge. Through the mist an amorphous form comes into view defined by a dozen yards of cable-knit, a vicious fiery mane and joke Luke Kelly beard. Gnarled fingers pluck at taut Gibson strings and a gravel tone born on Crumpsall cobbles growls the opening verse of Raglan Road. One old dear is overcome with emotion and has to be carried out whilst another removes her turtle neck winceyette knickers and throws them in the direction of the talent.

    Smash it lad!

    I remain

    Berko

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  17. Bloody hell, the riveting intensity of ‘International Fortnight’, don’t you just love it?

    Afraid I am not escaping to foreign parts, a la Calgers and The Laird. Am in my 8th week of playing Nursey to the DLOMS’ multi-fractured ankle during which time I have learned how to use both a Tesco club card and a washing machine, wonder of wonders..
    Tomorrow afternoon I have been let off the hook to play a music gig in Toner’s pub, my first in ten years since I took up my role as full-time licensed hermit. A wee bit under-rehearsed I fear but I should be alright on the day. 3 good support singers with me. My songs (all me own) are mostly downbeat so expect a dramatic hike in the Irish suicide rate in the next week or three; a rising statistic that may be compounded if Ireland fail to beat Wales on Monday.

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  18. Just catching up to date news………..
    I saw a pic. of some of Brazil team sat down taking Oxygen during their game with Bolivia –
    La Paz over 3,300 metres ? – or is it Ft..
    Ederson and Bravo played in their Brazil vs. Chile.game. – Jesus played as well.
    Ottomendi played full game against ? – Peru
    Sane on Germany’s bench in Belfast. – also recorded his pace (against Chelsea) as 22 mph. – in one burst.
    Last night – England were dire – Our midfield is really scary – Laugh Laugh
    Europe and the World must be relishing the World Cup in Russia.
    For me only Hart , Rashford(promised much but end product found wanting) and Kane(good centre forward but did what he was there for)
    deserved a 7 – the rest 5 or 6.
    – and Walkers ball across to Kane was the ‘ball of the match’ made in Tottenham, ?

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  19. alphonso: Yeh!
    Took a chance when we booked and didn’t quite get the dates corresponding with the International break!
    Bit of a beatch!

    Alph

    I guess I got luckier (well depends on your preference for chasing a white ball over the countryside). Off to Portugal tomorrow for a weeks golf. Should be a welcome change from all this bloody rain Big Smile

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